Talk:S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Wiki

Suggestion

Wondering if there should perhaps be a Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl, and then a Clear Sky wikia seperate?

Otherwise how will you track what is for what? Unless you ensure each article is included in a relevant category to distinguish the game. It wouldn't be too much to organise wikia to setup relevant wiki's for the two games. That is if you are interested?

Daworm 10:34, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't make sense to have separate wikis for both games - stuff like setting background are the same, as are many of the items etc. They should just be categorized accordingly. Ausir 11:32, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Keep Single Wiki, just categorise the articles accordingly. Unconscious 13:04, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

For example. Jellyfish is just -2 to Radiation in Clear Sky, I haven't played Shadow of Chernobyl yet so don't know if the stats on that are correct or just random... I have two other Artifacts picked up before I even left the Swamps that are not on the wiki so far. I'll have to add them later next time I'm playing.

Replikanxxl 20:17, April 29, 2010 (UTC) we must shape this wikia by looking at the fallout games wikia. cause its structured so well . the games are similar also. so all the games should be in one wikia. hope people read this.

Templates

Are cleanup / stub type templates used at all?

Mind if I setup a couple for use on pages that are really short on information and need to be expanded or are just a mass of text and not formatted for ease of read?

Example: X16 could do with a {{cleanup}} type tag to help prompt others with more knowledge of it to neaten it somewhat.

Daworm 05:01, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead and add them. Ausir 06:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Can you please copy User:Daworm/monaco.css into MediaWiki:common.css, the colouring isn't final, especially if you want to customise the whole markup for stalker wiki. After copying refresh Template_talk:Ambox for the examples on what they look like. Daworm 15:07, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Call of Pripyat

The new game is out in Russia and Ukraine, and, frankly, this means the entire wiki needs a revamp. If anyone has any good ideas how to do it, shoot.

Separate sections (optionally infoboxes) inside articles for each game. Octurion 16:52, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

New site logo

Hey guys since we've been using the logo still says "Shadow of Chernobyl" don't you think we should revise the logo? SHIELD unit 11:07, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Weapons category overhaul

Just a heads-up: I'm currently in the process of overhauling the weapons category to tidy it up and make it consistent.

• There is no consistency in naming. As we know the games falsify the names of all of the guns. I didn't take part in any previous decision-making process on this topic (if there were any...) but the prevailing view seems to be that we should be using the real names, and I agree. The titles of articles (mostly) use the real names, but the actual articles still use the fake names, as do some categories and lists. I'm going to make sure every weapon article is named after the real thing, then fix all the double redirects.

• The unique weapon articles are a bit of a mess. Most unique weapons are simply the original weapon with slightly different stats, so I'm thinking most unique weapons can be covered in the original article. Do we really need a separate article for the Fast-shooting AKS-74 when that could be mentioned in AKS-74? I don't think so.

Anyway, I'll be doing a lot of moving and merging, and even if it doesn't seem logical you can be assured that there is a method to my madness. If you object, please don't revert my edits without speaking to me about it. --MattyDienhoff ^«talk» 00:31, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

---

"I'm going to make sure every weapon article is named after the real thing"

Disagree.

1. First of all, this is encyclopedia about the games, so real-life info about the covered subjects is really not needed (even can't be confirmed by the game canon).
2. The in-game names are established and in the most cases absolutely consistent. (In the case, that the gun doesn't have a name, the real life name could be used)
3. Real-life counterparts can't be clearly indentified (see Gp-37 talk page).
4. Real-life naming could cause lot of confusion.

Although O. Yavorsky mentioned that the weapons are supposed to be 'real-life', I'm not sure if we can take his word as a canon. And if so, some guns just can't be clearly identified.

"I'm thinking most unique weapons can be covered in the original article."

Strongly disagree. The unique weapons are guns on their own. They have separate infoboxes, lots of info etc. And before we could proceed with these things, we need to setup some basic Manual of Style, expanded Canon policy etc. Octurion 10:23, May 20, 2010

---

We specifically named the weapon catalog using the in-game names as a reference for those who aren't versed in their weaponry and only know weapons by their in-game names. I advise against this change. SHIELD unit 11:02, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

---

> Octurion:

"real-life info about the covered subjects is really not needed"

I agree, which is why each article (the introduction excluded) is about the weapon as it appears in-game, not about its real-life history and use (because that would be irrelevant). That said, as far as I'm concerned that has no bearing on what we name the articles. There are other factors involved.

"The in-game names are established and in the most cases absolutely consistent."

No, they're not consistent, not in the least. All of these weapons are renamed at least once between games. Fort-12, TOZ-34, AN-94 Abakan, AS Val.

"Real-life counterparts can't be clearly identified."

I'm not one for blowing my own horn, but I know more than most gamers about firearms and I can say with absolute certainty that there is only one unidentifiable gun in the entire series, that's the Gauss rifle. Unidentifiable because it's fictional, of course. I've already cleared the G36/G36K issue up on the same talk page you linked to. STALKER's weapons are not the same as the cars in Grand Theft Auto, which are just amalgamations of various designs that are literally unidentifiable. The fictional Gauss rifle aside, each and every firearm, launcher and hand grenade in the series is a real, identifiable weapon. Even the most questionable case is still identifiable (The G36, while it is a bit oddly proportioned, is still clearly a G36).

You're right about unique weapons, in some cases the differences are too great, it's best they have their own articles.

> SHIELD unit

I'm not sure if you're talking about the article names themselves or the List of weapons, so I'll address both.

• It's difficult to name articles after the in-universe names because in several cases they're different from one game to the next (see above). If not for this caveat I would agree to title the articles with the false names. As it is, though, if we use the real names and make it clear in the article text what the fake name is, even the uninitiated should have little trouble figuring out which is which.
• I agree the list of weapons should mention the false names people are most likely to recognize. I haven't finished overhauling it yet (clearly, as it's a mess). When I'm finished with it it will link to all of the weapon articles (with the real name in the title, as per the above), and the false name/s will be somewhere alongside.

I agree with you guys that using the real names may confuse players who are only aware of the false names used in-game, but I believe that can be overcome by the means I mentioned above and that, all things considered, it's easier and better to use the real names.

Also, I rearranged the messages in this thread to make it easier to read, I hope you don't mind, I didn't tamper with the content of any messages. --MattyDienhoff ^«talk» 03:07, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I did totally forget about this. It's getting longer, it should be moved into forum and we could continue there. Octurion 03:13, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

We're about to get established leadership

I've petitioned for an adoption in wikia central for this wikia, according to them I need to talk to the community for an agreement. More details here, particularly we need some votes and suggestions from the veterans of this wikia like Oct, Boredgunner or anyone else who's contributed a fair chunk of work here. Come on fellas, pitch in.

SHIELD unit 12:59, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

No background?

I'm not seeing a background. I liked it, and it made it feel official, not some stupid single-fan-made site. David 97 23:57, June 5, 2010 (UTC)

The Dark Blue background? Odd could have sworn I have the default one set for this site. SHIELD unit 01:26, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Not to mention that it's way too bright and cheerful looking now. 68.127.163.63 07:33, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

Are you people seeing the White and light blue theme at the moment? SHIELD unit 08:15, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

We demand dark background!

I don't know if this is a bad thing, but I went into edit and changed the background color to black. If this is something I shouldn't have done then I think I can change it back. ControllerSlayer 01:26, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

I think it looks a lot better now, no idea why it was changed in the first place. DarkZenith 13:43, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Main page

So yeah, I trialed the template I was envisioning for a while during those boring days in class. If anyone has any objections, comments and all other related things: I'm as open as the rookie village to loners. Ok now, I didn't expect google to screw up the icons' formation. Great just bloody great SHIELD unit 12:38, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I like it. Quick and convenient. DarkZenith 12:49, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ok now, I've fixed the Template's placement, now the only thing left is to generalize the lists. SHIELD unit 12:53, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

I know I'm not registered, but maybe you could have featured article and blog section like other wikias? 71.233.168.34 00:54, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I'll get on the featured article part when I'm done wading through some school related shit, as for blogs it isn't really necessary since very few people use the thing.

SHIELD unit 01:17, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

You never know, maybe GSC really will release an xbox port of all 3 games as well as a 2.0 and if the wiki is up to date by that point it might become the hottest thing since sliced bread.

Chikubi 15:54, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

A console release is unlikely, due to the hardware limitations of current consoles; the game uses a lot of resources as it is. As for being up to date, I rather thought this Wiki was up to date, insofar as possible. DarkZenith 19:13, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

They didn't become Xbox 360 developers just for kicks zenith. A port is coming. And as for being up to date, Arties and quests are incomplete to put it mildly. Chikubi 22:56, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Now it looks nice! Dabur 09:58, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Chikubi, I still don't see how they're going to get around the technical issues, STALKER is a very resource hungry game, the latest incarnations even more so. They will have to do some serious backward steps with their engine, and I just don't see it being worth the time or money in the long run. I may be wrong, it's just I can't see this selling well on console.

With regards to artifacts and quests, surely it's not up to date, because someone has yet to write the appropriate articles? That being the purpose of a Wiki, after all. Perhaps now would be the time to do so. DarkZenith 19:38, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

hmmm , when the last stalker was done a few started to build on a new version , since they shelved it who knows ? after the games a lot of people where put out of a job and left for other firms ,

there has been talk about it before , there was talk about a new one as base for some other games but nothing ever came of it , ... they could start over and redo it .

one huge benefit they have is the fact that in the former east soviet union one can get this job done for 25 percent of the price of what it would cost in the states or europe , in the chech republic for example a dev might not even make 1000 usd , .... i had some software work don there and it was at least 5 or 6 times cheaper then in lets say france or the usa , .... so money wise they could be okay , the main thing is to convince them to invest it , and release stalker 2 all over the world , not just for the ukraine and russia , but for all over the world ! the benefits would be huge and plenty of people would be willing to invest , me being one allready !

well the artifacts and quests will see major updates in the next few months , i am willing to devote time to it every day a few hours , with many others it should go fast , .... !

have a nice day Dabur 22:50, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

What

We can't read the text without highlighting it right now. Boredgunner 22:56, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

hmmm , what are your settings ? it reads fine on two comps on my side , .... Dabur 23:01, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

It was a screw up in the .css, my fault. Hopefully everything works fine now. How do you like the new decor? _Tagaziel ^(call!) 23:48, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

i did not notice anything , had to redo a few edits but thats all , or people could flag personal settings for the display of the site , .... Dabur 00:05, July 4, 2010 (UTC)