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Hi, welcome to S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Fox page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! Byte Me (talk) 13:34, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

Editing Edit

While your attention to aesthetics is commendable, it's probably better to leave non-functional links in situ where they relate to files. The reasoning being that unlike a page or subsection link which generally have semi-intuitive (and auto completing) structure, files can have rather cryptic descriptors which makes them difficult to retrieve at a later juncture.

After the editing history for the wiki pushes your (thankfully verbose) edit summary out of view and eventually out of the buffers, there will only be the page history that might indicate what needs to be added back in. So if you 'zombify' content like this it could be lost - forever.

Take a look at what I did to reinstate the Cordon video. All I did was change 5 letters into 4 letters. Problem solved.

Bottom line, if the edit involves removing content make sure that you have a good reason for doing so. If you're unsure - then try leaving it alone. Sooner or later someone will correct it, but they can't correct what they can't see. Byte Me (talk) 20:41, November 3, 2014 (UTC)

It's all nice work.. Edit

If you have the time available during your cleanup efforts, would you have a look at this: Tourist and give me your comments please? Byte Me (talk) 13:52, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm.

"(I did what I could here. Now the English is far more correct, there are hotlinks, and the text is all formatted. I'm gonna leave it to someone else to organize the image gallery, I'm terrible at that.)"

Did you actually have a GOOD LOOK at some of those gallery pics?  Although your enthusiasm is very welcome, I only asked if you might give me your comments regarding the page in question, you weren't obliged to edit it unless you are quite certain of the facts (which I had been trying to follow up on with the original author - Maxico )

After Pangia had done the obvious you seemed to get a little defensive about matters:

"(Tourist is NOT a randomly named stalker. He appears consistently at the same place in all playthroughs, and is linked to a unique suit in the game. I'll let Byte Me handle this from here on out; I'll just say for now the argument for deletion is i...)"

Now if this were the case I'd like to see some evidence to support the claim. It may well crop up on a regular basis in a Mod - which is why I ask you again to look at the gallery pics for clues (hint: inventory), but you seemed very sure of this so I thought I'd do some investigations of my own.

Choosing an old archived game from last year I reloaded from where I started my exit run from the Scorcher compound, lured one Blood into an Electro - had to shoot the other, and went for a look by the pipes. To my complete unsurprise the following showed up:

As for the Mama's Beads in the article, this alone screams MOD. In SoC 1.0005 you get the drop on ONE, Snitch might pony one up if you like wet work and you might get another pair from stashes but neither are fantastically easy coordinates to get. From an NPC? Unlikely. I'm not even sure that I actually want to know what are in the 13 'lucky bags' in Maxico's inventory.

Moving up the road - running past everything to see "Kostik Piranha" then:

One late Mr. Danko Blind, but just as easily it could have been "German Despot" or "Anton Prick" or "Piotr A-A Gun" - there's plenty of infradig humour with the GSC naming of characters. It could even have been Vova Tourist.

The only point to the original request "Have a look at this (XYZ) and give me your comments please?" was to illustrate that at least 50% of contribs here don't have English as their first language and 100% of them make editing errors, typos, factual distortions and so on, and amongst the greatest screw-ups you will find Me. But all of them have a go and those that do mostly keep a Neutral Point of View in all matters.

So:

"(Tourist is NOT a randomly named stalker. He appears consistently at the same place in all playthroughs, and is linked to a unique suit in the game. I'll let Byte Me handle this from here on out; I'll just say for now the argument for deletion is i...)" Would you like to discuss this or back it up perhaps? Byte Me (talk) 19:06, November 18, 2014 (UTC)


... damn it. Okay, my bad, I fucked up on that one and I admit to it. I'm excessively used to Complete 2009, and seems like it finally showed. Jack Kellar (talk) 19:10, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Relax. It happens. Everyone does it. Maybe Pangia had a laugh.

If "Tourist" had been noticed then in 6+ years he would have had his own character page. I'm still interested as to which MOD he appears in (we apparently accept such pages but they have to be clearly marked) Byte Me (talk) 19:24, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Fruit PunchEdit

Everything is a theory unless explicitly stated by the creators, and shouldn't be presented as fact. Besides, the Fruit Punch dissolves like an alkali does; acids only burn.
- Jack Kellar

Yes, well. Read the quote that I have inserted in the article. (P.S. I'm a chemist) Byte Me (talk) 17:19, November 26, 2014 (UTC)

Hear it from who knows best, I guess.

I included the talk about alkalis/bases because it's implied that the Fruit Punch's effects dissolve regular polymers of clothes and weapons as well as tissues and metals. Knowing the Zone, it might as well be both at the same time in the anomaly, and they're kept from reacting to each other to form less-reactive salts. But again, fanon, and that has to be culled for a wiki article.

Wouldn't it have to be a special kind of inert plastic to store acidic substances even if they get in an aqueous state due to improper sealing? From what my chemistry teacher told us in class a few years back, that was the big issue with storing acids in plastic containers and bases in glass ones. Sounds to me like a newer technology than there was by the time I was in high school.

Finally, just as a curiosity, I'd never heard of HCl passivating steel or any kind of metal for that matter. The only passivation I knew of was the natural one that happens on pure aluminium with the formation of the oxide pellicle. Jack Kellar (talk) 19:26, November 26, 2014 (UTC)

It's referred to mostly as pickling (of metals) where you effectively remove scale from steel surfaces which are impurities in the fabrication process. More specifically, the pretreatment 'trade' often refer to this as "passiviation" bc there are usually other acids used (phosphoric) immediately afterwards to leave a thin iron phosphate crystalline layer over the steel which prevents corrosion and akts as a key for paint to bind to. Obviously it's dried before painting. For aluminium the processes are different and more complex bc of its amphoteric chemistry and its inherent tendancy to self passivate by forming an oxide layer.

Ally is often cleaned using hydrofluoric acid, which industrially is stored in large polypropylene containers within wooden frames at 40% concentration (concentrated). Not glass, bc HF would etch the glass and introduce impurities (and be a health hazard if the glass breaks)

My supermarket sells drain cleaner in plastic that runs up to about 20% NaOH. A good apoteek sells the solid stuff as dry granules which you could make up to a saturated solution in the same plastic container and leave to its own devices pretty much indefinitely.

I really like STALKER for a nice immersive experience - but the science that the devs based it on is highly questionable as far as good fiction goes (a much better planned "fake science" backstory was employed in Alpha Centauri), is full of contradictions, armwaving and "well, this is the Zone" dismissals, leaving the poor contribs here having to write up the tripe that it was developed on.

...Now, if the anomalies were the endpoint warpholes from an advanced civilization occupying the coronal halos of Deneb and transporting their industrial waste to Terra... that would be a very differently coloured horse. Byte Me (talk) 20:10, November 26, 2014 (UTC)

Haha, I think the entire 'verse would fall into the biggest anomaly of all – the legal copyright infringement dispute system – if they pulled that off. It'd be cool, though!

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but only hydrofluoric acid (which attacks glass) can be stored in plastic containers. The rest of the usual ones (sulfuric, nitric, chloridric) are glass or bust, as they react with too many kinds of polymers for plastic to be effective and safe. Bases, yeah, it's common knowledge that they're stored in plastic jars, that's how I purchase them on my supermarket. Jack Kellar (talk) 13:04, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Weeell, if you start to get into Lewis acid/base theory this takes on different dimensionality. You start to get into the acidity/alkalinity of organic compounds, but the terms need to be used with care: Pyridine has basic properties (doesn't dissolve in water - so can't be alkaline) and it's not particularly basic.

You can store strong inorganic acids in plastics, it just depends upon how strong and for how long and which plastic you fancy trying your luck with. Nylon with sulphuric? - No; nitric in polybutyraldehyde? maybe. In lab settings they get traditionally stored in glass but think about how they get transported industrially. By tanker. Lined with glass? Doubtful - too messy in accidents. (And it's hydrochloric acid not chloridric) Byte Me (talk) 16:32, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

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