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Your Wiki Manager

Hi Octurion! My name is Shrev, and I’m the Fandom Wiki Manager for S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Wiki. I am here to help the community and be a liaison to full-time Fandom staff. If you ever have a question or issue relating to the wiki, editing, styling, infoboxes, templates, etc., please feel free to contact me on my talk page, or on Discord at Shrev64#0089. Shrev64 (Talk page) 19:04, May 22, 2019 (UTC)

Confused rank names

Hello! Can you rename some rank images?

• SP-Experienced and MP-Veteran Ranks (Blue) → SP-Experienced and MP-Professional Ranks (Blue)
• SP-Veteran and MP-Professional Ranks (Blue) → SP-MP-Veteran Rank (Blue)

As for the Professional and Legend, I'm not sure that they are so called in the English version of the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. multiplayer. I would also like to ask to delete bad duplicate files^{[1][2][3][4][5][6][7]}. RenesSans (talk) 20:11, February 2, 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for renaming! However, duplicate removal is still relevant. The [1][4] are just good duplicates for Rookie/XP and Expert/Legend, the [2][3] are of poor quality, the [5][6][7] have ampersands (&) that cause problem with the appearance of images. RenesSans (talk) 16:13, February 3, 2020 (UTC)

User:Meztinos

Hi man,

I've just seen an edit by User:Meztinos on the Duty page. I'm not too sure that the style of his edits is done in good faith.

What are your thoughts on the matter?

BW Byte Me (talk) 16:42, August 17, 2020 (UTC)

Wiki Representative

Hi, I'm the new Wiki Representative for the S.T.A.L.K.E.R Wiki and wanted to introduce myself. My home wiki is Elder Scrolls, where I've been a staff member since 2015. I've been working as a Wiki Rep since the program was created in 2019. Please let me know if you ever need me to serve as a liaison to Fandom or to help you with a technical problem on your wiki. Thanks! :) —Atvelonis (talk) 22:25, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Removal of tabview from the Ecologists article

Yeah, tabview doesn't work on UCP, so we've had to remove it across the platform so as to prevent pages from breaking. Please let me know if you have any questions!--Technobliterator 22:46, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't think there are plans to bring back the functionality of tabview, simply due to how difficult it was on mobile devices (and also a lot of problems that it brought with SEO and etc.). I encourage you check out the Dev Wiki discord to ask if anyone there has any alternate suggestions. Sorry about that!--Technobliterator06:34, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi, I've noticed that this user has been vandalising the wiki recently. Please block him if you see fit, thanks! Tenebrous (Talk)(Contributions)(My Guestbook) 01:38, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Russian Wiki Plagiarizing

The last few articles made by VLADISLAVSuperYT are just low-quality machine translated Russian wiki articles.

On behalf of administration of the Russian resource, we do allow taking our articles as long as they're properly hand-translated and actually made accessible for western auditory. Otherwise people may just use Website Translation services for accessing the Russian wiki. That way not only will they access the newest version of the article, they will also give us views and have proper interface with working interwiki links.

Again, on behalf of Russian wiki, we demand for copy-pasted articles to either be rewritten and properly translated or removed from the resource.

Thanks in advance.

SurDno (talk) 14:00, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Duty Stalker Page

Someone deleted the entire "Ranks" section of the duty faction page. Every faction save for Clear sky has one. I don't know who did this, but I'm quite upset at the loss of information. Is there any way you could add back the ranks from each game, such as rookies, experienced, vet, expert, etc and their info/equipment?

Re: Changes to css file

Hi Octurion, thanks for the message. The primary changes I made to the .infobox CSS class were removing duplicated code: so there should have been no changes from anything that was removed. However, I also moved around some code, so it's possible that something is now being loaded in a different order, which is causing this strange behavior with the horizontal groups. I'll look into it some more and get back to you. —Atvelonis (talk) 16:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

So the issue was apparently MediaWiki:Themes.css, which I didn't touch, but which I imported in MediaWiki:Common.css. I'm not sure why it would act differently than it would in Wikia.css, but there was some flex CSS that was the root of the issue. It should be working now.

Is anything else broken, or was that the only problem? —Atvelonis (talk) 16:12, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

FandomDesktop

Hi there, I wanted to reach out and ask if you had any thoughts on the new "FandomDesktop" skin that's just gone live as an opt-in feature (other than bugs, which should probably go straight to Zendesk). If so, I would love to hear it, positive or negative! Any feedback you have will be helpful in improving the skin. Thanks in advance. :) —Atvelonis (talk) 02:04, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. If you have any additional feedback down the line, certainly feel free to pass it along. —Atvelonis (talk) 01:46, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Inline CSS

Hi Octurion, I've just updated the wiki's navboxes to support the light/dark theme for FandomDesktop. To do this I had to remove some of the inline styling from templates like {{Military}}, as you can see here. I then put this styling onto a central stylesheet, MediaWiki:Common.css. The affected classes were .navbox-title and .navbox-group. They should look identical on the dark theme, and on the light theme the headers will just be a shade of gray that is more readable against the text color (which is different than on the dark theme). I repeated this on all the other navboxes I could find, which thankfully all use the same general template, {{Navbox}}.

I do notice, however, that all of these navboxes have quite a bit more inline styling that is identical from template to template. Instead of using the |titlestyle, |groupstyle, and |liststyle parameters for styling that should be identical across all navboxes (because they are standardized), you should really be using the classes .navbox-title, .navbox-group, and .navbox-list respectively. This means that when you want to update the styling for the navboxes, you only have to do it one time, in MediaWiki:Common.css (or another MediaWiki page; wherever the classes are defined), not 100+. You can configure these classes to use ThemeDesigner variables or custom variables that nevertheless detect which theme is active and adjust the classes accordingly.

In my opinion the {{Navbox}} template syntax is a bit hard to work with, but that is a separate issue. For now, I would recommend moving all of the inline styling on these templates to MediaWiki:Common.css. If you need help doing this, I can have my bot take a look. I'd also invite you to edit the wiki's light theme in FandomDesktop: I've set up a couple placeholder colors that I know are readable, but they're nothing fancy. —Atvelonis (talk) 19:50, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

FavIcon

Greetings, I'm a representative of the Russian Stalker Wiki. We have a little problem caused by Fandom (it shows the English favicon instead of the Russian one). Can you change your favicon? For exchange we can help you with the design and title page. Because we see that you need a lot of help. Meztinos 07:35, 10 August 2021.

Yes. I meant that small icon. Wordmark is a different thing. Meztinos 07:35, 10 August 2021.

That's not the main problem. Yandex and other search engines use favicon from the English Wiki. As you see, you (and Polish Wiki) also changed your wordmark to the one from the Russian Wiki, so It would make sense to change the favicon too. Meztinos 07:35, 10 August 2021.

Hello, I'm a fresh editor here to help

Hello, I'm an staff member of the CoD and R6 wikis here to lend a huge helping hand to this wiki where needed, and to become a mainstay of this wiki, especially in preparation for Stalker 2.

I write since I have a goal of improving this wiki to be the best available resource for Stalker, with innovations that may assist in the handling of this wiki, much like I have done with the others.

At the moment, I'm deciding to make all SoC item pages accurate and updated - to show the mettle - is there any other places of the wiki that are in need of desperate attention? I will be happy to help where you need me.

I hope we enjoy working together! Prof. Sugarcube (talk) 00:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

We can go through them one by one - for the Rules one we can work on now especially, there are many policies we've adopted on the wikis i staff on that manage articles on content, backend admin and language (What is trivial vs Main Body information, What a wiki actually is vs what it is not, Image file name standardizations etc). The biggest prompt for me to help was mainly the Lost Alpha mod and Template:Mod pages, which are third party unofficial mod articles, of which the Content Policy currently even states that the pages should not exist.

Say the word and we can hammer out good policies and guidelines using what we can see is working vs what isn't, especially in regards to content. If you need easier communication I have a Discord account we can communicate with, if necessary. Prof. Sugarcube (talk) 11:16, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

By the way, on the topic of MapEditor, I was offered the opportunity to demo it (a very small bit), and when MapEd releases it'll be a very bright day for this wiki indeed. Especially considering anything in a map that is a static location can be properly highlighted, with links to the pages, such as named Anomaly fields. I've also considered consolidation of a lot of the armor and med infoboxes given the use of statistical info that could probably best be explained in a similar method to the Fallout wiki, who utilizes horizontal space to show more info pertaining to an object. I've also been thinking of porting over the CoD Wiki's {{w}} template, allowing the change of long wikipedia-esque links into just a simple template.

I'm also not completely understanding of what a "big change" would be calculated as on this wiki, as I have a range of changes I can propose to this wiki to clean up some of the things that seem in need of attention. Prof. Sugarcube (talk) 09:50, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Some updates on projects I'm doing

Just a quick update so i don't spam my introduction with updates, heh

• I've created Template:Sic for intentionally transcribed/copied misspellings (generally quotes, mission text, character names etc), to note that they shouldn't be changed. Good example is on the SoC quote for Sawed-off shotgun. The template only needs to link to a redirect called S.T.A.L.K.E.R.:Sic which directs to the Manual of Style detailing how to handle transcriptional errors and mistranslations from official sources (ie game text, dev tweets, promotional work). I can do this if you want, however since it's policy I'd rather run it by you first.
• I'm in the process of uploading .png SoC inventory HUD images for the infoboxes, one item at a time as I pick them up-in game. As a result, i will be designating the images i replaced with Template:Delete, for example the former Dog Tail image. The images that i can't merely upload a new image over has this designation, generally being images uploaded in a file extension other than .png. I will not replace any images involving world models, they will simply be moved to the main body of the article.
• I'm also cleaning up some of the language in the articles. Some of the language seems, more opinionated than objective, and I will be removing or revising them. Feel free to critique this, as the nature of this is subjective, and is up to interpretation/further discussion.
• Quotes for SoC items are also being uploaded. Each quote seems to have a piece of lore in them (even if obvious) so it's good information to keep in. (eg the Sawn-off being a cut-down "BM-17", an old name for the TOZ-66 which mainly fired 16 gauge shells)
• I have made a duplicate of the Template:Armor infobox, for process of futzing around with the thing to introduce a few factors: Icons-as-Damage-Resistances, and horizontal infobox displays. I am not terribly experienced in abusing regex to make these things work but I will attempt to learn, so I can build it up to be simple to use yet informative and easy to show.
• Replacing wikipedia links with {{w}} and Ruble links with {{ruble}}. Self explanatory, working out so far.

I'll do a full sweep of items (as i am the strongest in those areas across the wikis i edit) and then go back through and tune up character/quest/etc pages. I'm more of a data dude than a creative so that's why Items are my original go-to. Prof. Sugarcube (talk) 07:56, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

I'd also like to propose the idea of the {{game}} template from the CoD Wiki: It showcases what pages are relevant to what games by showing a little icon in the top-left of the page. Since the game currently has 4 released games, and potentially only 2 cut games (Lost Alpha [not the mod], Stalker 2 original in 2013-2014), the icon spam problem in the COD wiki should be limited in scope here. It allows for readers to easily identify that a page is relevant to *that* game. This contrasts the Fallout Wiki's way of handling this by splitting each section of a page of a game's appearance of an item into its own page using the (Shadow of Chernobyl) identifier or whatever (like you've done with Cordon (Shadow of Chernobyl).)

Both ways are extremely valid in their approaches, and as the wiki grows and pages get longer, or more pages sprout up with conflicting names, it may be something to consider. Prof. Sugarcube (talk) 07:41, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

For the record, I wasn't vouching for splitting of subpages, i was stating it's a possible solution, one i've seen used on some wikis, vs others that use big long pages, another possible solution - i won't be changing how multiple pages are handled at all just yet, the original post was mainly about the game template more than how we handle pages for stuff in multiple games. The game template doesn't lead to a subpage of the item itself, it's a surrogate for saying "this item is in SoC, CS, CoP and S2", and the icons just link to the games themselves, not a subpage. you can check for example this page on the cod wiki for an example - just click one of the icons in the topleft, it'll deirect you tot he game's page.

Just wanted to make the correction, as i'm way more geared to the game template moreso than the handling of subpages. If i'm given an all-clear I can whip up a template with the icons in a few hours. Prof. Sugarcube (talk) 09:19, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

The game template has been made - it's called "Icon" since "Game" and "Games" were taken. Usage is the same as the CoD wiki, however I do not have an icon for STALKER mobile or STALKER 2 (since phone ver + unreleased game). Assets to find the official Stalker 2 steam icon rendered dry, which should be expected. As for the bot, i'm assuming it's AWB, of which case I have experience using that too. In fact it's one of the shiniest tools in my toolbox, its uses for image fixing and even as a proto-WhatLinksHere is amazing. Prof. Sugarcube (talk) 11:31, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

The S.T.A.L.K.E.R.:Sic link has been made as well as an attached policy regarding transcriptions. Felt it was time to make it after the description of the Balance IL 86 has a typo in its game description (barrell). Prof. Sugarcube (talk) 09:05, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Code Issues

Hello! I'm Thundercraft5, and I represent Fandom's Vanguard volunteer team. We help communities adopt to new technologies and features and to improve their technical performance. We have spotted some code issues on this wiki that I’d like to make fixes to, which should not break anything further nor affect the wiki content. Fixing some of the issues will require me to introduce some new code that will perform better and should appear the same as it does now. Maintaining the fixes if you want to make changes should be very simple. We'd really like to get working on your community, and we would appreciate your go-ahead. Once I am finished, I will leave you another message to follow up. Please expect that Vanguard will deploy these fixes on or after 8/22/2021 unless you note that we should not. If you have any questions, please let me know. Thank you for your consideration, and I hope we can produce a result that works for everyone.

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Re: Guide information

I'll be honest, I'm quite anti-guide information in general, often given how arbitrary most of it is - but it's mainly because if it's there, someone would have to maintain it, which I would be hard pressed to do so given the vague nature of guide text. To me personally, the only guide a wiki needs is things like locations, stats, quest walkthroughs, relevant information on the item's operation (ie a suit having NVG, or a gun firing a different caliber), etc. Lots of arbitrary guide text tried to compare items to other items, most often in a literal Apples and Oranges style, so i kneejerk remove them when I see it. If you wish to preserve it I won't get in your way, but i do strongly support the idea of at least segregating it from the main body article, which should be reserved for game information (stats, obtainance, lore, images - basically cold hard data/info direct from the game itself) rather than an interpretation of that information. At the moment i'm more focused on getting the weights, inventory images, cost and quotes of each item in the game moreso than a gigantic cleanup.

By the way, I'm doing the "Tunder" 5.45 page at the moment and it strikes me as very presumptive to assume the Storm is the same as the Tunder 5.45, even given the fact the "uniqueness" of the gun is the same, but that's it, as everything else about the gun is different. From name, game, to who uses it, to its RPM, DMG, etc, it's functionally a different gun that happens to have a similar unique effect. I reckon we should separate it, having a unique page for every legendary/unique in this game, bar ones that make latter direct appearances. I won't make a move unless it's your call, given this is more than a mere page rename or section reorder. Prof. Sugarcube (talk) 10:58, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Rights Permission request

Is it possible I can obtain a role of Custodian/related to manage files I replace and edit (particularly the old bad .jpgs of Ammo and Mutant parts) so I can clean up some image files on the way? If I have not met requirements to do so, by all means let me know which ones I need before I can apply for it. Prof. Sugarcube (talk) 20:57, 7 September 2021 (UTC)